East End dustman turned criminologist reveals what his decades of research in locals pubs and cafes taught him about gangsters – from ‘first-class intimidator’ Frank Fraser to the aircraft cleaner pilfering smuggled cocaine
- Professor Dick Hobbs spent years researching criminology in London’s East End
- His new book discusses the years he’s spent interviewing duckers and divers
- Witnessed criminal underworld change from one focusing on brutal violence and business to an ‘overworld’ centre on drugs and lorry drivers
A man who grew up in London’s crime-went from being an office boy, labourer, and dustman in London’s East End to a renowned professor of criminology has shared what he’s learned from decades of life on the ‘fringes of skullduggery’ in a fascinating new book.
Professor Dick Hobbs has discussed the changing face of London’s crime world in new book, The Business: Talking with Thieves, Gangsters and Dealers after studying criminality in the working class pubs, cafes and pie and mash shops near to where he grew up in Plaistow, observing and witnessing criminals.
After going to live with his maternal granparents in Plaistow, he would walk daily with his grandfaher to the local street market where he would stop to chat to well dressed men in tribly hts, overcaots and dark suit, who he later discovered here bookies runers and thieves.
‘Although my grandfather was a working man and no villian, he was at ease in their company and they held him in some respect,’ Professor Hobbs recalled.
Professor Hobbs left school before his 17th birthday and worked for two years in clerical jobs before various labouring jobs, where he could observe ‘ingenious scams’, theft and selling ‘hookey gear’.
While never pretending to be ‘one of them,’ he soon found that he was interviewing the likes of Frankie Fraser in his flat, and even drinking alongside The Kray Twins in their local boozer.
Career criminals and journalists at a party at Gennaro’s restaurant in Soho, London, given by British gangster Billy Hill to launch his autobiography ‘Boss of Britain’s Underworld’, December 1955. Left to right: Soho Ted, Bugsy, Groin Frankie, Billy Hill, Ruby Sparkes, Frankie Fraser, College Harry, Frany The Spaniel, Cherry Bill, Johnny Ricco, a female journalist, Russian Ted and a publisher. In a new book Professor Dick Hobbs reveals how he became a confidante to the low-level associates of such gangsters
Over the past few decades, Professor Hobbs has visited criminals – past and present – in prison and listened to their stories.
He met on the ‘villains’ home ground, in pubs, cafes, pie and mash shops, workshops, garages, and warehouses, as well as in front rooms and kitchens’ and ‘birthdays, weddings and funerals’.
In his book, he shares his anecdotes of everyone from safe crackers and car thieves to drug dealers, by anonymising them and omitting incriminating details in order to protect those who are guilty.
He also explores the changes in the city’s criminal underground, noting how violence was everywhere and unavoidable due to the local area filled with dock strikes and thievery practiced by the ‘celebrity criminals.’
However, over the years, he details how he watched the impact the drug trade had on the criminal underworld as he knew it, and explained how it gradually evolved into an ‘overworld’ centred around lorry hijackers, warehouse thieves, and middle-market drug dealers.
Professor Hobbs explained how during the post-war era, everywhere from cinemas and department stores kept their takings in safes overnight.
East End born and bred, Professor Dick Hobbs, has spent the past few decades researching criminality in the working class pubs, cafes and pie and mash shops near to where he grew up
In the early 90s, he interviewed Dick Pooley – then in his 60s – who was a safecracker after being introduced to the skill by his elder brother.
Dick, who admitted to breaking into over 200 safes in his time, recalled one particularly memorable occasion when he timed that it took him 20 minutes to break into a safe – only to find the money had been hidden in the gas oven.
After years in the profession, Dick explained how he was caught red-headed and put behind bars in Wandsworth.
There, he met a man who he called ‘one of the best safe-blowers in London.’
Speaking to Professor Hobbs, he told the story of Alan Robinson – who he referred to as the ‘Silver Fox of Camden Town.’
He explained how Alan – who was one of gangster Billy Hill’s boys – took him to a place in New Cross where he loaded up and safe, but when they left the room and set the charge off, it didn’t work.
Billy Hill was an elusive mobster who mentored the Krays and was known as The Boss of Britain’s Underworld after using the chaos of the Second World War to build his criminal empire.
Alan instructed him to go and see if he could figure out why it wasn’t working.
BRUSHES WITH THE ‘CELEBRITY CRIMINALS’
THE KRAY TWINS
Reggie Kray, Charlie Kray and Ronnie Kray outside the family home in Bethnal Green after the twins acquittal of charges of attempting to obtain protection money from a Soho club owner
In his book, the criminologist recalled meeting someone named Teddy, whose cousin had set up an illegal drinking club in the basement of a Turkish-owned clothing factory – on the corner in The City Arms.
He explained how one of his biggest scams in the distillery involved theft of labels which were then attached to bottles containing a home-brew that when combined with a mixer, he could pass off for gin.
However, Teddy unfortunately found himself messing with the wrong people when he sold his moonshine to the Kray twins – who were feared by all for perpetrating the very worst of acts – from murder, armed robbery and arson to protection rackets and assaults.
‘Teddy took a terrible beating and the stoic manner in which he accepted his punishment established him a “face” in all the right places,’ said Professor Hobbs.
Professor Dick Hobbs, who interview ‘Mad’ Frankie Fraser, branded him a ‘first-class intimidator.’ Pictured,
Frankie Fraser, who spent 42 years – almost half his life – in jail for 26 offences and was one of the last surviving ‘celebrity criminals’ before he died aged 90, joined turf wars between London gangs in the sixties.
Professor Dick Hobbs detailed how he had met ‘Mad’ Frankie Fraser – infamous for pulling out rivals’ teeth with a pair of pliers – at several events around London, before getting the opportunity to interview him on the 50th anniversary of the end of the war in Europe.
He explained how the criminal era post WWII was dominated by extortion and theft and when talking to Frankie on the subject, recalled how the villain’s face ‘lit up’ and he became ‘positively nostalgic.’
The criminologist recalled how Frankie said: ‘It was a wonderful time to be a thief. I will never forgive that Hitler for surrendering when he did.’
On another occasion, he spoke to Frankie at the flat he shared with Marilyn Wisbey – the daughter of train robber Tommy Wisbey.
He explained how Frankie made it very clear that there were two sets of people in London at the time – professional criminals such as himself, and then those who he referred to as ‘mug punters.’
‘If you found yourself in their company, you would either be ignored as a total irrelevance or treated with an exaggerated courtesy that bordered on condescension,’ explained the criminologist.
Branding him a ‘first-class intimidator,’ Professor Hobbs went on to say how after interviewing Frankie for a radio documentary, he and producer Matt Thompson were about to leave when Frankie checked his fee.
When Matt replied it was £75, Professor Hobbs recalled how Frankie smiled and quietly told him how he was wrong and that the fee he’d negotiated was £100.
After Matt repeated it was definitely £75, he said Frankie ‘retained his smile’ and sat down on the settee very close to Matt who was busy packing his equipment.
He continued: ‘Frank placed his right arm along the back of the settee behind Matt’s head, paused until Matt looked up into those cold black eyes and then said, in a soft but clear tone, “Now, that’s all right boy, and I ain’t going to argue, but I just want you to know that it was £100,” before withdrawing his arm and standing up.’
‘So I walked up to the safe and I wriggled the detonator about, little knowing that it could have killed me stone dead,’ Dick said.
He went on to explain how there were three of them – including Alan in is sixties and another an old-aged pensioner.
Dick recalled: ‘I always remember him saying to me, “Dick, do you mind if I don’t come up the stairs? If it comes on top I won’t be able to get away.” I said, “You stay there, so he stayed and we went up and done the business, got the money and come down, helped the pensioner over the wall.’
During the interview, Dick also told the criminologist how it was easy getting your hands on explosives during the 1950s and 1960s.
He would take the explosives store to a quarry, and use more explosives to blow it up.
‘You imagine enough explosive in there to blow a whole town up and we used to blow it open,’ he said. ‘I remember once being in Maidstone blowing a big magazine there, and I had two blokes with me and they ran and kept running because when they found out I was going to blow the magazine open they thought I was crazy.’
Dick specifically referred to a type of explosive called Polar Ammon, which was powerful enough to knock a door off a safe.
‘The detonators were of a size that just used to fit into the keyhole of the safe, so you would take the baffle plate off, load it up with enough explosive, put it all around in the lock,’ he said.
Professor Hobbs explained that while there’s a sharp rise in teenagers killing each other on the streets of London today, it’s something he also witnessed growing up.
‘Around the time when I left school, I began to glimpse what could happen when skulduggery backfired,’ he said. ‘I was on nodding terms with one youth who bled to death on the floor of a pub when a silver of glass pierced his jugular.
After several years robbing his employers and emerging as a successful dealer in stolen goods, a neighbour in his twenties was imprisoned for theft.’
He also recalled how his friend was waiting at a bus stop when he was hit by shotgun pellets fired by robbers fleeing a bank.
The researcher went on to say how when he was in his early 20s, a work friend was stabbed in a pub by the landlord and later woke up in hospital while being given the last rites, while he also remembered a massive razor fight breaking out in Plaistow town hall, which never got reported.
Professor Dick Hobbs explained how three men ‘reached to the inside pockets of their tartan-lined jackets, taking out long thin cases perhaps six inches in length from which they removed open razors.’
‘They calmly placed the cases back in their pockets, opened the razors and, holding the weapons at shoulder height, joined the huddle of bodies who were fleeing the hall.’
He continued: ‘Outside was chaos and above the heads of spectators and combatants, the razors could be seen slashing down onto faces and protective hands.’
‘Then you press your detonator in, run the wires off if it had wires, or if it had a fuse you just light the fuse and get out the way, and the explosion occurs and you run back in.’
In his book, Professor Hobbs recalled interviewing a man named Mickey who he had met in the pub.
Mickey – who was a car thief whose warehouse was ideally situated in London to distribute his loot – highlighted the ease of thieving Minis in particular.
‘Up West for a night out, get p****ed nick a motor to get home. Minis were the easiest – just whack out the little quarter light and pull this little wire they had instead of a handle and that was it,’ he explained.
However, things became even easier thanks to a bunch of keys he bought from a ‘geezer in the pub,’ who reckoned they’d help him ‘get in almost any motor.’
Speaking to Professor Hobbs, Mickey explained: ‘We all p*** ourselves. So he takes us outside and does nearly every motor in the car park. So I get him p***ed and buys ’em off him for 75 sovs.’
The keys helped Mickey become a professional car thief, and he’d even rent them out, but most often would steal cars to order, adding: ‘Anybody can do it.’
He continued: ‘The thing was, I got a good name as a thief before I was really good. People think it’s harder than it is to do a motor, at least they used to before kids started doing motors for radios. Some thieves would have radios but for me I was going it to order and class motors too, so I never really f**** about with anything in the car.’
In the 1970s and 80s, Professor Hobbs explained that many dock-related warehouses and distribution centres closed down.
This, in addition to the installation of CCTV, meant fewer opportunities for criminals, which he said resulted in a whole new era of ‘professional’ thieves.
He spoke of a man named JonJo – who organised theft of TVs – who he had met in an ‘old haunt.’
He described him as a different kind of thief – someone he claimed was a man of ‘long silences and edgy stares.’
While Professor Hobbs says he was never on close terms with him, he admits he was fully aware of his reputation for recreational violence.
However, in his book, he spoke to a one-time associate of JonJo who explained: ‘That little mob were always tooled up with blades and hammers. If it went off somewhere they were the first to start chopping away at people’s heads. Blood everywhere, screaming and that.
And JonJo was at the centre of it. He was a horrible b****. But by the time we were about 21 or so it got a bit much.
The criminologist discussed the changing face of London’s crime world in new book, The Business: Talking with Thieves, Gangsters and Dealers (pictured)
A lot of people was hurt and it was all the time. We just faded away and settled down, but him and that other little mob got into thieving.’
THE GROWING APPETITE FOR DRUGS
Professor Hobbs explained how throughout the 1970s, the interest in recreational drugs began to rapidly increase.
He noted how ordinary punters at the edge of the stolen goods trade – duckers and divers, bouncers and even football hooligans – joined forces with armed robbers and other villains.
And by the time the 1990s arrived, he told how ex-robbers were joined by teams of successful lorry thieves, who upped the stakes by hijacking loads of cigarettes and cannabis smugglers.
He went on to say for anyone who refused to pay for a parcel of cocaine, or a van full of cannabis, going to the police wasn’t an option – instead, brutal methods of revenge were employed.
Professor Hobbs spoke to one dealer who said: ‘It’s the threat of violence that keeps people in line because I mean, that guy he could say, “I’ve took your £25,000 I’m off, I’m not coming back.
‘But what happens if I find him in two years’ time? I’ll murder him, or I’ll want my mate to murder him, somebody will murder him and he knows that. So it’s not worth his while to f*** off with £25,000.’
Another man Professor Hobbs interviewed, who was serving 20 years for drug importation, highlighted his fear from inside jail.
THE GROWING IMPORTANCE OF TRANSPORTATION
As the years passed, Professor Hobbs noted how London’s ‘criminal underground’ as he knew it slowly vanished.
Instead, it was replaced by a new era of criminals who used the workings of the ‘overground’ – such as lorry drivers and warehousemen – to transport the likes of drugs, guns and contraband.
He explained how people who operated as brokers and had a knowledge of the road – including depots, routes, loading methodologies and markets – quickly became worth a lot of money.
Sam – who was employed by TFL – worked for his family’s fruit and veg business, which gave him a reason to be driving around late at night. He soon became a popular night-time purveyor of stolen goods.
The criminologist explained how he quickly became connected to the cannabis trade, bringing in loads via regular ferries.
Sam was responsible for setting up deals, finding drivers and transporting multiple kilos around the M25.
‘Sam enabled villains with violent reputations to fade gracefully into the background and become backseat investors in both the importation and middle market of a number of illegal drugs, as well as tobacco and alcohol,’ he revealed.
However, Sam served five years in prison after his business premises were raided and a consignment of ecstasy was discovered.
Elsewhere, Dennis, the manager of a group of aircraft cleaners, a job which required security clearance, was only too happy to help when a local man asked him where parcels of cocaine might be hidden on an aircraft which had arrived from South America and the Carribean.
He revealed that there were no checks on staff driving off the site and was paid £20,000 for such useful knowledge.
From then on, he worked as a watcher, observing flights from South America and reporting any unusual Customs activity.
Before long, Dennis was removing the drugs from where they were being hidden and transporting them out of the airport. Soon enough, he was turning 10 kilos of cocaine into 20 kilos by reducing its purity from 95% to 40%.
Meanwhile, Tommy, who worked in the army for 20 years, was paid £1,000 to deliver money out of the country – to either suppliers or as part of a money laundering operation.
He was responsible for looking after large loads transported by vehicle, such as 100kg or cocaine or 120kg of amphetamine.
He’d charge £200,000 to move 100kg of cocaine valued at £4.5m, giving him a personal fee of £50,000.
‘I was paranoid, especially when I been arrested,’ he said. ‘I was scared cos my cousin he knows my house; the other person, he knows my family in Cyprus. They know I got two kids. I love my kids to death, my whole family can be in danger. Them people, I know what they an be.’
THE KEY ROLE OF BOUNCERS
Professor Hobbs explained how the night-time economy gave criminal entrepreneurs endless new opportunities to cash in.
A bodybuilder named Eric told the criminologist how his friend, a notoriously successful ‘security consultant,’ conjured up business.
‘It worked like this,’ he began. ‘Jackie would walk in a pub, any pub, and speak to the owner saying words to the effect of, “This is a rough pub that looks like it needs doormen to keep out the w****.”‘
He went on to explain if the offer was refused, such ill-behaved individuals would conveniently start a fight in the pub the following night.
Jackie would then offer his services again – but this time they would be accepted.
Together with deals with other bouncer firms, it became possible to create a monopoly of violence.
Eric went on to explain how Jackie played a vital role because if organised crime families – such as the Smiths, Jones or Browns – were looking to do business, he had to approve it first.
‘The Smiths were moving in on a number of doors that Jackie had no interest in on a first-hand basis,’ he recalled. ‘The club was held by a sole entrepreneur who would not let the Smiths take control of the club, so they hired Jackie to teach him a lesson which consisted of Jackie beating him to within an inch of his life.’
He went on to say how The Smiths got the club, while Jackie’s service fee was 15% – which came to approximately £20,000 a year.
CRIMINAL APPRENTICESHIPS TRADED FOR FRIENDSHIP NETWORKS
Professor Hobbs went on to discuss the evolution of the night-time economy and explained how criminal apprenticeships or a reputation proven by a long prison record, were soon swapped for friendship networks.
Leon, 21, who he interviewed in prison while he was serving a sentence for dealing ecstasy, said: ‘It’s just friends that know friends, isn’t it? I could say I’ve sold to over like, 300 people, but they may go and sell it over to somebody else.
‘I didn’t run it like a business, not really, it’s just a friend of mine who knows someone, he says, “He can sort you out!” and it goes from there.
The criminologist also interviewed one woman who operated a club-based business selling 1,000 ecstasy tablets and a quarter to half a kilogram of amphetamine per week
‘It’s just friends, and friends of friends, really,’ she told Professor Hobbs. ‘I’d buy the drugs I knew they would want – Es, whizz, a bit of coke, weed, what have you – people would phone in their orders for themselves and their friends, and I’d deliver before the weekend.
‘It was simple as that. I was doing them a service. I was the go-between.’
And for some, such as Paul – a middle-man dealer selling anyone from 2,000-3,000 ecstasy tablets per week, in addition to a few ounces of powdered cocaine and amphetamine, and a couple of kilos of cannabis to club-based retailers – certain drugs were off limits.
‘I wouldn’t deal in crack, and I wouldn’t deal in heroin because those are dirty drugs,’ he told Professor Hobbs. ‘They’re scum drugs. You don’t see people who are ravers going out and mugging people so they can get a pill for the weekend.
‘And you see people doing crack, heroin, mugging people just so they can get drugs. I disagree with crack and heroin.’
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